I am looking to freshen up the interior of an old Grob 102. Mainly just want to put a new coat of paint on the interior walls of the cockpit. Any recommendations for paint I should be using? I prefer to brush it on rather than spray. I saw some enamel paint at Lowes but it says "oil-based" on it. I assume oil would be bad to put on the fiberglass? Just want to be sure whatever i use won't do anything to the glass.

thanks!

I went to a DIY shop and bought grey paint for floors. I used a brush, and after 10 years it'a still holding up pretty well.

I had asked Schempo-Hirth - they had used T35 with some black pigments before switching to their present design with fibers appearing.

On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 9:22:25 PM UTC-8, Tango Whisky wrote:
> I went to a DIY shop and bought grey paint for floors. I used a brush, and after 10 years it'a still holding up pretty well.
>
> I had asked Schempo-Hirth - they had used T35 with some black pigments before switching to their present design with fibers appearing.

What exactly is T35?

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 1:00:08 AM UTC-5, soaringjac wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 9:22:25 PM UTC-8, Tango Whisky wrote:
> > I went to a DIY shop and bought grey paint for floors. I used a brush, and after 10 years it'a still holding up pretty well.
> >
> > I had asked Schempo-Hirth - they had used T35 with some black pigments before switching to their present design with fibers appearing.
>
> What exactly is T35?

Polyester gelcoat.

T8

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 1:00:08 AM UTC-5, soaringjac wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 9:22:25 PM UTC-8, Tango Whisky wrote:
> > I went to a DIY shop and bought grey paint for floors. I used a brush, and after 10 years it'a still holding up pretty well.
> >
> > I had asked Schempo-Hirth - they had used T35 with some black pigments before switching to their present design with fibers appearing.
>
> What exactly is T35?

T35 is polyester topcoat. What you might call "gelcoat".
I finish interiors with acrylic enamel from the auto refinish supply store. I buy a flat gray. It uses a hardener. I apply with a small roller. The roller leaves a slightly roughened surface that hides all the little flaws and makes it look "finished".
FWIW
UH

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 5:21:43 AM UTC-8, Tango Eight wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 1:00:08 AM UTC-5, soaringjac wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 9:22:25 PM UTC-8, Tango Whisky wrote:
> > > I went to a DIY shop and bought grey paint for floors. I used a brush, and after 10 years it'a still holding up pretty well.
> > >
> > > I had asked Schempo-Hirth - they had used T35 with some black pigments before switching to their present design with fibers appearing.
> >
> > What exactly is T35?
>
> Polyester gelcoat.
>
> T8

ah. ok thanks

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 5:22:46 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 1:00:08 AM UTC-5, soaringjac wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 9:22:25 PM UTC-8, Tango Whisky wrote:
> > > I went to a DIY shop and bought grey paint for floors. I used a brush, and after 10 years it'a still holding up pretty well.
> > >
> > > I had asked Schempo-Hirth - they had used T35 with some black pigments before switching to their present design with fibers appearing.
> >
> > What exactly is T35?
>
> T35 is polyester topcoat. What you might call "gelcoat".
> I finish interiors with acrylic enamel from the auto refinish supply store. I buy a flat gray. It uses a hardener. I apply with a small roller. The roller leaves a slightly roughened surface that hides all the little flaws and makes it look "finished".
> FWIW
> UH

Great thanks that does help. so seems like i can use almost any enamel paint. good call on using the flat

> I finish interiors with acrylic enamel from the auto refinish supply store. I buy a flat gray. It uses a hardener. I apply with a small roller. The roller leaves a slightly roughened surface that hides all the little flaws and makes it look "finished". > FWIW > UH

Acrylic versus urethane for interiors? Comments please.

Raul Boerner

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 10:31:11 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> > I finish interiors with acrylic enamel from the auto refinish supply store. I buy a flat gray. It uses a hardener. I apply with a small roller. The roller leaves a slightly roughened surface that hides all the little flaws and makes it look "finished". > FWIW > UH
>
> Acrylic versus urethane for interiors? Comments please.
>
> Raul Boerner

I actually use AU(acrylic urethane) but AE (acrylic enamel)works fine. Texture resulting from roller application makes more uniform finish.
Some suppliers may be limited in which products can be provided in semi flat.

On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 9:27:35 PM UTC-5, soaringjac wrote:
> I am looking to freshen up the interior of an old Grob 102. Mainly just want to put a new coat of paint on the interior walls of the cockpit. Any recommendations for paint I should be using? I prefer to brush it on rather than spray. I saw some enamel paint at Lowes but it says "oil-based" on it. I assume oil would be bad to put on the fiberglass? Just want to be sure whatever i use won't do anything to the glass.
>
> thanks!

Since you are not spraying, which I would highly suggest you may want to look toward a two part epoxy. Rock Solid is a garage floor product available at Home Depot. It is a great product and you will be very satisfied. Bob

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 9:31:32 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> Don’t forget to sand everything to remove contaminants, the seat pan in particular is a reservoir for bodily fluids, sweat, tears and other bodily fluids. Recommend 80 grit sandpaper to give the surface good adhesion, flattened paint won’t show the sanding scratches. I often spray the metal controls in place with rattle-can paint, after I cover everything else with an old bed sheet with a small hole cut in the middle where the control protrudes. These metal parts often show some rust, Best to remove all rust by sanding or wire brush before spraying. Remove the stick grip, spoiler handle, flap handle, gear handle, etc before spraying, then re-spray them with their appropriate color before re-installing. Best to remove the canopy and cover the instrument panel before painting so that they aren't accidentally dusted with overspray.
> Have fun,
> JJ

Thanks JJ! Do you have any brands / suppliers you can recommend?

I’m with UH on this, acrylic enamel is tough enough to withstand rough treatment the cockpit gets. Rust-o-Liam works well on metal parts. Your local auto paint store will have AE and a good supply of paint related supplies, masking tape, masking sheet, brushes, rollers, etc. Ace Hardware has a wide variety of rattle can spray paint. Pick up grey, flat black, red, yellow, blue and green for the control handles . A first class job will include re-painting the canopy rail. Carefully mask the paint line and then re-mask the cover sheet to the first tape. Mask the outside too...........a few extra minutes here will save an afternoon removing overspray on your canopy. Flat black here and on the glare shield. Best to spray the canopy off the bird, upside down on horses. Good wintertime project.
JJ
Change the cockpit stickers, too Wings & Wheels has them.

On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 7:47:52 PM UTC-5, soaringjac wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 9:31:32 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> > Don’t forget to sand everything to remove contaminants, the seat pan in particular is a reservoir for bodily fluids, sweat, tears and other bodily fluids. Recommend 80 grit sandpaper to give the surface good adhesion, flattened paint won’t show the sanding scratches. I often spray the metal controls in place with rattle-can paint, after I cover everything else with an old bed sheet with a small hole cut in the middle where the control protrudes. These metal parts often show some rust, Best to remove all rust by sanding or wire brush before spraying. Remove the stick grip, spoiler handle, flap handle, gear handle, etc before spraying, then re-spray them with their appropriate color before re-installing. Best to remove the canopy and cover the instrument panel before painting so that they aren't accidentally dusted with overspray.
> > Have fun,
> > JJ
>
> Thanks JJ! Do you have any brands / suppliers you can recommend?

I use the following for most stuff.
Interior major: Sherwin Willaims 2nd Dimension acrylic enamel number1656533-A RAL7037 Dusty Gray using semi flat base. Used with hardener and applied with 3 inch fabric roller.
Gray spray for metal: Zero Rust 61SP- Gray. This is a primer but gives a nice finish and is close in color to Schleicher.
Satin Black: SEM 39143 Trim Black. This provides a very nice satin finish like the black trim on your car. Makes a good finish for panels. Also good for glare shields and canopy frames when used with texture below.
Texture: For parts that need a bit of texture, like panels, I spray a light to moderate coat of Rustoleum Textured Black part number 7220. A day later I over coat with The SEM Trim Black.
FWIW
UH

On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 8:19:06 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 7:47:52 PM UTC-5, soaringjac wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 27, 2019 at 9:31:32 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> > > Don’t forget to sand everything to remove contaminants, the seat pan in particular is a reservoir for bodily fluids, sweat, tears and other bodily fluids. Recommend 80 grit sandpaper to give the surface good adhesion, flattened paint won’t show the sanding scratches. I often spray the metal controls in place with rattle-can paint, after I cover everything else with an old bed sheet with a small hole cut in the middle where the control protrudes. These metal parts often show some rust, Best to remove all rust by sanding or wire brush before spraying. Remove the stick grip, spoiler handle, flap handle, gear handle, etc before spraying, then re-spray them with their appropriate color before re-installing. Best to remove the canopy and cover the instrument panel before painting so that they aren't accidentally dusted with overspray.
> > > Have fun,
> > > JJ
> >
> > Thanks JJ! Do you have any brands / suppliers you can recommend?
>
> I use the following for most stuff.
> Interior major: Sherwin Willaims 2nd Dimension acrylic enamel number1656533-A RAL7037 Dusty Gray using semi flat base. Used with hardener and applied with 3 inch fabric roller.
> Gray spray for metal: Zero Rust 61SP- Gray. This is a primer but gives a nice finish and is close in color to Schleicher.
> Satin Black: SEM 39143 Trim Black. This provides a very nice satin finish like the black trim on your car. Makes a good finish for panels. Also good for glare shields and canopy frames when used with texture below.
> Texture: For parts that need a bit of texture, like panels, I spray a light to moderate coat of Rustoleum Textured Black part number 7220. A day later I over coat with The SEM Trim Black.
> FWIW
> UH

Awesome thanks UH, this is great

On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 7:11:00 AM UTC-8, wrote:
> I’m with UH on this, acrylic enamel is tough enough to withstand rough treatment the cockpit gets. Rust-o-Liam works well on metal parts. Your local auto paint store will have AE and a good supply of paint related supplies, masking tape, masking sheet, brushes, rollers, etc. Ace Hardware has a wide variety of rattle can spray paint. Pick up grey, flat black, red, yellow, blue and green for the control handles . A first class job will include re-painting the canopy rail. Carefully mask the paint line and then re-mask the cover sheet to the first tape. Mask the outside too...........a few extra minutes here will save an afternoon removing overspray on your canopy. Flat black here and on the glare shield. Best to spray the canopy off the bird, upside down on horses. Good wintertime project.
> JJ
> Change the cockpit stickers, too Wings & Wheels has them.

Thanks JJ! Yeah definitely am going to do the canopy rail as well.

I once sprayed my cockpit with auto trunk paint, gray with white, black,
and possibly other colored flecks.Â* It looked great but was too soft and
rubbed off pretty quickly.Â* Maybe I just didn't do a proper prep...

On 11/28/2019 8:10 AM, wrote:
> I’m with UH on this, acrylic enamel is tough enough to withstand rough treatment the cockpit gets. Rust-o-Liam works well on metal parts. Your local auto paint store will have AE and a good supply of paint related supplies, masking tape, masking sheet, brushes, rollers, etc. Ace Hardware has a wide variety of rattle can spray paint. Pick up grey, flat black, red, yellow, blue and green for the control handles . A first class job will include re-painting the canopy rail. Carefully mask the paint line and then re-mask the cover sheet to the first tape. Mask the outside too...........a few extra minutes here will save an afternoon removing overspray on your canopy. Flat black here and on the glare shield. Best to spray the canopy off the bird, upside down on horses. Good wintertime project.
> JJ
> Change the cockpit stickers, too Wings & Wheels has them.

--
Dan, 5J

I’ve had good success using Klass Kote epoxy paint. Used a foam roller to apply it. Ended up giving it a nice texture. Once it cured it’s incredibly hard.

On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 6:27:35 PM UTC-8, soaringjac wrote:
> I am looking to freshen up the interior of an old Grob 102. Mainly just want to put a new coat of paint on the interior walls of the cockpit. Any recommendations for paint I should be using? I prefer to brush it on rather than spray. I saw some enamel paint at Lowes but it says "oil-based" on it. I assume oil would be bad to put on the fiberglass? Just want to be sure whatever i use won't do anything to the glass.
>
> thanks!

I've used Zolatone speckle paint on the interior of composite belly pods. It's bullet proof.

On Thursday, November 28, 2019 at 4:17:00 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> I’ve had good success using Klass Kote epoxy paint. Used a foam roller to apply it. Ended up giving it a nice texture. Once it cured it’s incredibly hard.

Is this the stuff you are using, the grey primer #50? https://www.klasskote..com/epoxy-colors-primers

>
> Is this the stuff you are using, the grey primer #50? https://www.klasskote.com/epoxy-colors-primers

I used battleship grey #112. This was on a new build amateur build experimental so I wasn't trying to match a previously applied color.

On Sunday, December 15, 2019 at 3:40:47 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> >
> > Is this the stuff you are using, the grey primer #50? https://www.klasskote.com/epoxy-colors-primers
>
> I used battleship grey #112. This was on a new build amateur build experimental so I wasn't trying to match a previously applied color.

You can also use the gloss catalyst #405 if you like that look (also known as the wet look). I did that once on an ASW19 and I really liked the result.

Tom

On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 9:45:21 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> On Sunday, December 15, 2019 at 3:40:47 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> > >
> > > Is this the stuff you are using, the grey primer #50? https://www.klasskote.com/epoxy-colors-primers
> >
> > I used battleship grey #112. This was on a new build amateur build experimental so I wasn't trying to match a previously applied color.
>
> You can also use the gloss catalyst #405 if you like that look (also known as the wet look). I did that once on an ASW19 and I really liked the result.
>
> Tom

Has anyone tried painting the interior of a glider in the colors of Russian military cockpits?

I had an ASW-19 back in the 80s and early 90s in which the instrument
panel was painted a pastel blue as opposed to industrial green, and it
had a Porsche logo decal top center.Â* It came to me that way.Â* I found
the colors to be pleasant.

On 12/17/2019 8:59 AM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 9:45:21 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 15, 2019 at 3:40:47 PM UTC-8, wrote:
>>>> Is this the stuff you are using, the grey primer #50? https://www.klasskote.com/epoxy-colors-primers
>>> I used battleship grey #112. This was on a new build amateur build experimental so I wasn't trying to match a previously applied color.
>> You can also use the gloss catalyst #405 if you like that look (also known as the wet look). I did that once on an ASW19 and I really liked the result.
>>
>> Tom
> Has anyone tried painting the interior of a glider in the colors of Russian military cockpits?

--
Dan, 5J

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 9:08:40 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> I had an ASW-19 back in the 80s and early 90s in which the instrument
> panel was painted a pastel blue as opposed to industrial green, and it
> had a Porsche logo decal top center.Â* It came to me that way.Â* I found
> the colors to be pleasant.
>
> On 12/17/2019 8:59 AM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 9:45:21 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 15, 2019 at 3:40:47 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> >>>> Is this the stuff you are using, the grey primer #50? https://www.klasskote.com/epoxy-colors-primers
> >>> I used battleship grey #112. This was on a new build amateur build experimental so I wasn't trying to match a previously applied color.
> >> You can also use the gloss catalyst #405 if you like that look (also known as the wet look). I did that once on an ASW19 and I really liked the result.
> >>
> >> Tom
> > Has anyone tried painting the interior of a glider in the colors of Russian military cockpits?
>
> --
> Dan, 5J

I've used Krylon Ultra Flat Black to paint an instrument panel, as well as Krylon Stone Granite speckled paint to paint the interior of a cockpit before. Worked out pretty well, I thought.

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 3:21:57 PM UTC-8, John Foster wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 9:08:40 AM UTC-7, Dan Marotta wrote:
> > I had an ASW-19 back in the 80s and early 90s in which the instrument
> > panel was painted a pastel blue as opposed to industrial green, and it
> > had a Porsche logo decal top center.Â* It came to me that way.Â* I found
> > the colors to be pleasant.
> >
> > On 12/17/2019 8:59 AM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 9:45:21 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, December 15, 2019 at 3:40:47 PM UTC-8, wrote:
> > >>>> Is this the stuff you are using, the grey primer #50? https://www.klasskote.com/epoxy-colors-primers
> > >>> I used battleship grey #112. This was on a new build amateur build experimental so I wasn't trying to match a previously applied color.
> > >> You can also use the gloss catalyst #405 if you like that look (also known as the wet look). I did that once on an ASW19 and I really liked the result.
> > >>
> > >> Tom
> > > Has anyone tried painting the interior of a glider in the colors of Russian military cockpits?
> >
> > --
> > Dan, 5J
>
> I've used Krylon Ultra Flat Black to paint an instrument panel, as well as Krylon Stone Granite speckled paint to paint the interior of a cockpit before. Worked out pretty well, I thought.

I have had issues with Krylon sticking (it didn't) to existing glider paint.. I would avoid it.

Tom